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The look on Tigh's face when he learned that Ellen was a traitor was priceless IMHO.

I beg your pardon, but I'm going to have to geek out for a bit here.
All the Time Lords (and Ladies) are dead? ALL of them? The Master? The Rani? Even *Susan* for that matter? Wasn't Leela living on Gallifrey (with the original K-9, to boot!)at one point? I may be missing a lot here, but I'll have to admit "Doctor Who" lost me once the Colin Baker episodes went to 50 minutes. I heard of the whole "Trial of a Time Lord" season and it sounded perfectly dreadful. I tried to come back with Sylvester McCoy, but Bonnie Langford (I think I'm remembering her name right)delivering her lines as if she were still in a children's program...me ("You can't talk to him that way! *He's* The *Doctor*!") put the kibosh on that pretty quick.
But I'm loving the two 'new' Doctors, and my wife is along for the ride, with 'Barty Crouch(Jr.)' helming the TARDIS!

K-9!

Allow me to reiterate...

K-9!

I had to record Battlestar Galactica and wait a half hour, the last few minutes of Doctor Who just had me to worked up to watch anything else for awhile.

Good dog!

Re: BSG- I found the whole seer scene to be strange. Why would a human seer give away such valuable information to an enemy? "Your God has a message for you" ?! I do agree that the wrath of Boomer will be awesome to behold, when she learns of Adama's part in the conspiracy.

Hooper,

In the first season of the new run they established that all the Time Lords were wiped out in the Time War between Gallifrey and the Daleks. They didn't mention renegades like the Master and the Rani, but the Doctor has referred to himself as the last Time Lord.

Thanks, Jason. Yeah, I remember that being established last season, but I was wondering if there wasn't more backstory I was missing that may've been covered in, say, "Trial...".

`Be fun to see if or when The Master returns!

I do agree that the wrath of Boomer will be awesome to behold, when she learns of Adama's part in the conspiracy.

I don't think Adama knows. Remember, Roslin went directly to Cottle, and we never saw Adama knew word one about the final decision. Its entirely possible he though that Hera died naturally and the problem just solved itself with no outside intervention, much like the death of Admiral Cain.

Well, it seems that the Doctor Who folks just can't stop making spin offs:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0862620/

Sara Jane gets her own show. If this has K-9 in it, then *please* let an American Network pick it up! I desperately wanted more K-9 after last night's episode. Even though I knew the Doctor probably wouldn't take K-9 him with him, I still spent most of the episode hoping he would. Sci-Fi, BBC America, I really hope somebody carries this over here.

And Torchwood.

There's one thing that bugs me about Galactica. Baltar has been seeing Number Six in his head for a long time now, and that Number Six has even told him that she was the one he knew, planted in his head. Now that he's met the *actual* Number Six that he knew on Caprica, he should mention that.

Even if he doesn't mention it to her, he should mention it to the head version. The head version can't be exactly what she claimed, and Baltar must know that by now. I'd like to see something to address that, even if it doesn't completely resolve it.

A lot of necessary set-up, but I felt as if it could have been accomplished in half the time.

Ironically, that was the original plan; "Exodus" was written as one episode, but because of how long it was when they shot it (it was about 70 minutes long, when a single episode is 42), and the fact that they'd majorly blown their budget in the early part of the season, they split it into a two-parter.

If that were the only cheat in the episode, I'd let it go...but in the very same episode, Cylon D'anna (Lucy Lawless) learns that Sharon's baby is still alive courtesy of prophetic dreams that we've never seen before, interpreted by a seer whom we've never seen before.

For what it's worth, that was originally going to be in the premiere; however, it was one subplot too many, so it got shifted back into "Exodus".

These fun facts courtesy of Ronald D. Moore's commentary. :)

PAD, that was dead on. It's one thing for Troi to say "Captain, he's lying" as way of propelling or resolving a plot element--everyone on Star Trek has psychic powers or something. But have we seen any kind of fantasy or occult element on BG before? I don't think so, and it's jarring. It's like if House M.D. started healing patients using the Eye of Agamatto.

Nit Pick: Mr. David, I think you meant to right, "the baby couldn't be ALIVE."

Saul, she told 3 about the baby because she'd "been sent a vision by 3's god". She's an oracle. Her entire purpose in life is to give people the messages that the gods send to them. Besides, after she holds baby and knows true love, she'll lose everything that she's worked for. She may not be helping the Cylons by relaying that message.

As to the source of these visions, it was established in Season 1 that kamalla (that the seer was eating) can give at least some people visions. Whether these visions are the powder stimulating some psychic power in people or if there's some supernatural force sending those visions hasn't been confirmed or denied. I think we're meant to make up our own minds. I'm much more interested in 3's dream that led her there. Mr. David said that it looked like really sloppy storytelling, but it's also an interesting clue into the Cylon God/religion. Number 3 believes that these dreams are sent to her from God and I expect that's a common belief, at least in her model.

This correlates with the strange ethereal visitors that Baltar and Caprica Six are visited by. When I realized that Caprica Six was advised by an "imaginary" Baltar began to think that there is some other force that is manipulating the entire affair and both the Colonials and the Cylons are just pieces on the board. If just Baltar or Six had these imaginary friends, it could be written off to insanity, but for each of them to be in the exact same delusional state...there's another player in game.

Arrrgh!

In my own nitpick, I use "right" instead of "write." I no longer have moral authority to make snarky little comments corrections.

Jason,

Regarding the Number Six in Baltar's head, he's had his brain scanned and no implants were found, but she's given him information about upcoming events that he couldn't have predicted without precognitive powers, so he rationally assumed that she's not a psychosis. After presenting Six-in-his-head with this, she told him she was an angel of God sent to guide him. I was wary of this, until we see that Caprica Six has a similar Baltar-in-her-head. There's definitely more going on here than we know. In regards to your question about why they don't tell each other, Baltar probably believes that Head-Six in an angel and doesn't want to be thought insane or straped to a table and disected like a frog. Caprica Six likely never thought Head-Baltar was the real Baltar, but I'm sure that she doesn't want to tell anyone because she expects that she'll be "boxed" if she does. Also, both of the ethereal visitors generally encourage their "charges" to keep their presence a secret.

Greg,

There have been indicators of some psyhic/occult elements in BSG with Roslyn visions and the whatever-the-hell-they-are in Baltar's and Six's heads. There's been nothing concrete yet, and I think that we're meant to form our own opinions as to their ultimate meaning.

No prophetic events in Battlestar? Has everyone forgotten the heavy religious / prophecy overtones of Laura Roslin being the leader prophesized to guide the refugees to Earth?

I just loved the look of shock on Sarah Jane's face when she came face-to-face with the TARDIS. That and "We are in a car".

So, are we just pretending that "The Five Doctors" either didn't happen, or Sarah Jane has no recollection of that, or what?

They only just started showing Season 1 of Doctor Who over here in Japan, but I was visiting the states a few weeks ago, and managed to see this one. Haven't seen any signs of Battlestar Galactica coming over, though.

About the in-the-head version of Six (and Baltar, for that matter), remember that as soon as Caprica was shot in the premiere, that head-Six appeared to Baltar, urging him to sign the death warrant. I took that as a sign that as long as the physical versions were around, the in-head (incoporeal? There must be a better description than 'in-head'...) versions were quiet. IF so, that's a possible clue as to what the visions are.

Of course, it could always be revealed later that I am completely wrong, but for now, that's what we've seen. And yes, I know in-head Six appeared to Baltar while Pegasus Six was around, but remember that Pegasus Six is a different model than Caprica. Wow. Ok, does anyone else have a headache now?

(Then again, I had one before, and a fever to boot, so that may be why this all makes sense to me... :) )

Yeah, the oracle bothered me, but not quite as much as it did you, Peter. It smacks a bit of "deux ex machina" but as other posters have noted, kamalla root (dunno if I'm spelling that right!) caused Roslin to have visions that led them to the Tomb of Athena. So there is precedent for it.

Also, the resolution to the cliffhanger wasn't completely out of left field. In the season premiere, when Gaeta learned from Baltar about the list of people to be executed he tore off like a bat out of hell. It was already established he was acting as a "deep throat" by giving information to Tyrol, so the rest of it isn't a very big leap. I thought they actually did a good job of planting the seeds for the resolution.

Doctor Who: I've only seen two episodes of Who before, of all of the series, only two whole episodes and one of them was this new series. But even I greatly enjoyed this episode of Who, which I tuned in to only because BSG was next and I since I had nothing better to do on a Friday night (sigh) I figured I'd give Who a chance and support Sci-Fi channel a little. This episode will have me tuning in again next week, and maybe looking up some Who DVDs on netflix to see what I've been missing out on.

BSG: Yeah, the whole soothsayer coming out of nowhere was annoying, but what bugged me worse was that last time we saw Cally running for her life she was down hill and running through some trees, then in this episode they showed her running level with the Cylons (who had just come over a hill) and in a barren patch of land. I can handle the visions only because we've seen Roslin's visions... although they had an explanation. Of course so does D'Anna's really, as she was the one who discovered the baby was still alive.

On Baltar and Caprica's visions: Has anyone else thought that maybe these visions are not the work of God, but of God's opposite number? I've been wondering if the visions are Iblis (or whatever name the devil will be using in this incarnation of the show) trying to manipulate events, especially in light of the knowledge that Caprica was having visions of Baltar. Anyway, just a thought.

The question for me is "when" did the Galifrey episodes happen. Even in the "present" the Time Lords are all dead.

As for Sarah Jane, one thing that makes her different than most of the other companions was that she was asked to leave instead of choosing to do so.

David

Oh, and here's a though about the whole Starbuck situation. I'm not a parent and can't judge these thing very well, but Casey looked to be way to old to have been conceived after Starbuck broke out of that hospital. Look at the kid that Sharon had. That kid looked smaller to me and would have been conceived/born earlier. So I'm guessing that she's just a kid that the Cylon just snatched off the streets locally, although I suppose that she could be an unseen model of Cylon.

And where the hell are the other Cylon models, anyway. There are supposed to be twelve model but I can only come up with seven that we've seen. Why aren't the other models all over New Caprica? Did they stay on the Cylon homeworld because they didn't support the war? Are they the ones that run the fleet and just stay on the Base Ships all the time? Did the other models wipe them out? Where are the other models? If they were present in any numbers, they'd never be able to hide.

Even if he doesn't mention it to her, he should mention it to the head version.
He can't - physical Caprica Six and Mental Caprica Six don't exist at the same time. Mental is only around when Physical is off at Download City.

D'Anna is being set up for something...but I don't want to release spoilers to the general public at large. Knowing that, though, the episode didn't bother me at all... it's all about questioning faith. God doesn't speak in visions... the Gods do. Even the seer said as much - and yes, BSG has a strong, strong history of visions and mysticism. Anyone thinking otherwise is choosing to have selective memory!

Adama doesn't know Hera/Isis is still alive. Dr. Cottle, Tory and President Roslin did that, and are the only three who know. He's going to be just as pissed off about it as Sharon when he finds out.

That wasn't the only cheat in the BSG cliffhanger -- the first two times we saw Callie running, the shots started while she was running. The third time, Tyrol (who inexplicably found time to get a shave and a haircut while his wife was being taken prisoner) knocked her down and then the shots started. So the first two times (the end of last week and the beginning of this week) we were out-and-out lied to as to the sequence of events to create suspense.

So, are we just pretending that "The Five Doctors" either didn't happen, or Sarah Jane has no recollection of that, or what?

No, I don't think it's that.

"School Reunion" does present a bit of a conundrum when it comes to "The Five Doctors"and Sarah Jane Smith.

She meets the 5th Doctor at the very end of the episode, and when she's confused at the comment by the 3rd Doctor, he tells her "I'll explain later".

So, did the 3rd Doctor tell her that that was the 5th Doctor? He could have, but by then, he was already gone and she couldn't talk to him. So, her feelings remained. Which still works rather nicely.

I've read though that there was an 8th Doctor book where the Doctor met SJS, and had a bit of a similar scene as "School Reunion", so unfortunately the books suffer more from this episode than "The Five Doctors" does, imo.

KRAD "Tyrol (who inexplicably found time to get a shave and a haircut while his wife was being taken prisoner)"

There is no bad time for personal grooming :)

"we were out-and-out lied to as to the sequence of events to create suspense."

To be honest, since they've shown a marked reluctance to kill anyone of note, they've rather lost the ability to create it normally. I don't know about anyone else, but even putting a pistol to Baltar's head did not make me the least expectant of his demise.

Bill Myers "[T]he oracle [...] smacks a bit of 'deux ex machina'"

Which has happened before in BSG - Roslin's cure for example.

I found BSG anything but stretched out. The Exodus starts next episode. There are shows on that would take the entire season to reach that point in their story. How much has happened on Jericho, the Nine, and we can't forget Prison Break.

Dr Who...Sarah Jane, I almost wept.

The element on BSG I found interesting was how traumatized the Dean Stockwell Cylon was after his latest death.They touched on it before in "Scar" and even Boomer spoke of it.What would it do to a Cylon if they died a particularly horrific death,would they have to "boxed"??

Doctor Who...I miss Christopher Eccleston ,Tennant isnt bad but this episode with K9,Sara Jane and Good old Giles playing a baddie made up for it.Actually last week wasnt bad with the werewolf either of course I am a bit of a lycanophile(is that a word?)

"physical Caprica Six and Mental Caprica Six don't exist at the same time. Mental is only around when Physical is off at Download City. "

I don't think so. I don't think that Physical Caprica "died" at any point between the attack on Caprica and being shot in Baltar's office. But there's been a long association between the Balar and Mental-Caprica. His assoications with her on Galactica were too many and often for her to have been in the Download process. Also, the idea that Baltar only sees her when she's "dead" doesn't help to explain the Mental-Baltar that Caprica sees. Those two things have got to be related.

Craig, I don't think I can agree with you. If you go back and look at The Five Doctors, in the scene where Sarah Jane meets up with the third Doctor, she's stunned to see him as he used to be, which means it takes place after she'd left the Baker Doctor, hence that line about 'all teeth and curls, a line incidentally which Sarah Jane was supposed to say, but on the shooting day, Pertwee believed he should say it instead, which makes less sense.

I remember reading the first draft of 'School Reunion' while my wife was breaking down the makeup for 'Tooth and Claw,' and I made the mistake of expressing my annoyance (with a lower case A) about the fact that the script makes no mention of any of Sarah Jane's post-Hand of Fear appearances. Not surprisingly, Sheelagh's response was unprintable here, but I know the word 'fanboy' was used at some point.

Although Sladen's character remains my favorite companion, I'm quite disappointed that even though I've interviewed her a couple of times (including most recently for the next issue of Starlog, which comes out in a couple of weeks) I've never got to meet her in person, even though she lives just a mile or two up the road. Although if memory serves, Lis should be heading back to Cardiff right about now to shoot the first episode of The Sarah Jane Adventures.

Still, Mickey's line about the metal dog remains my favorite line from season two, bar none.

Re: Sarah Jane's memory: I've been working for a while now under the theory that temporal interference removed her memory of 'The Five Doctors' (as well as her appearances in the books, all of which were affected by similar temporal jiggery-pokery.) It's not a perfect theory, but it's better than hearing people argue about what "half a dozen" means. :)

Re: Other Renegade Time Lords: At the end of 'Dalek', Rose asks the Doctor if he's certain that he's the last Time Lord, and he points to his head and says, "I'd know. In here." Which suggests that there's some sort of shared mental link (a la the Matrix), and that the Doctor does know he's the last. But there's always the possibility that some sinister Time Lord survived and is hiding himself from that mental link--not that we know any Time Lords who would want to do that, nosir. (At the time this episode aired in the UK, there was a lot of speculation that ASH was the Master, posing as a Krillitane.)

And as a final note, the scenes of Tennant as a school-teacher at the beginning are comedy gold. "Correct-a-mundo! ...a word I have never used before, and hopefully never will again."

John, I remember some of those rumors about Head, but I'm pretty sure it was because he was playing the headmaster of the school, and that sort of became Head-Master. and then Head...Master. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. I remember seeing a Doctor Who news piece of mine that was somehow mis-repeated and eventually became something else entirely, because it was the wrong version that was then repeated. 'What?' I hear you say, 'SF fans getting it wrong?' Yeah, hard to believe, isn't it?

Dr. Who: Missed the episode. Wanted to see it to. Had K-9, Sarah, and Anthony Head. Ah well.

BSG: Last week the moment they got off the transport to stretch their legs, I knew what was going to happen. I suddenly had flashbacks of the Great Escape where the same thing happened. The Oracle was hokey. Sharon did the right thing. If she wants to find out anything about her baby, she has a better chance with Adama than against him. I honestly don't recall if he knew or not what happened. I imagine he did. Honestly, I just want them off this planet. Didn't care for the direction it took having them planetside. Enjoyed the episodes..just didn't like the direction.

Hmmm. The Sarah Jane Smith episode was one hell of show. She was never one of my favorite companions, but the emotion was so high in seeing her return along with all the great humor, that it was my favorite episode of the season.

Sigh! I heard a rumor that Katy Manning might show up next season as Iris Wildthyme. God, I hope so. That would be great.

DOCTOR WHO: I believe there's a line in The Five Doctors that states the previous characters will retain no memories of the events once they return to their proper era.

Joe Nazzaro -
If you go back and look at The Five Doctors, in the scene where Sarah Jane meets up with the third Doctor, she's stunned to see him as he used to be, which means it takes place after she'd left the Baker Doctor

Yes, I know. However, there was nothing to indicate, to SJS, WHICH Doctor Davison's Doctor was. For her, he could have been post-4th incarnation or a pre-3rd.

She knew the 3rd and 4th. The 1st and 2nd Doctors were also present with the 3rd and 5th, but unless SJS knew his history, she might not have known which was which.

Indeed, she might not have even been aware that Pertwee was only the 3rd. Although, now that I think about it, it's interesting that she didn't notice that Baker's Doctor wasn't present. Story time limitations? :)

Anyways, it's pretty much left up to the imagination. :)

Michael D. -
DOCTOR WHO: I believe there's a line in The Five Doctors that states the previous characters will retain no memories of the events once they return to their proper era.

I don't remember such a line. Maybe I'll watch it again sometime to double check.

I read somewhere that the rights to K-9 are owned by someone specific (whose name I'm not recalling) and while they granted permission for its use in this ep, it was a one-shot and K-9 won't be showing up in The Sarah Jane Adventures.

My personal favorite K-9 bit(s) were the two-fold;
Doctor: You're a good dog.
K-9: Affirmative (with ear rotation).

Headmaster: You're a bad dog.
K-9: Affirmative!

According to Wikipedia, K-9 will be in the premier episode of The Sarah Jane Adventures, but after that he will be in his own show, being produced by his original creator. The BBC opted out of being involved in the K-9 show to concentrate their efforts on Torchwood.

The novelization of The Five Doctors has a bit of a scene between Tegan and Sarah, where they compare notes, assign the Doctors present numbers, and lament the fact that #4 was absent, if I recall correctly.

One other minor detail that made me happy: in the second series, they've re-done the end theme to include that bit in the middle, the one in a major key...

This should be a link to an article on the series Rob in Japan describes:
http://www.animationmagazine.net/article.php?article_id=5326

Dr Who: in the large gap between the Paul Mcgan movie and the new series, the BBC published a series of 8th Doctor novels. At the time they were supposed to be considered 'canon'. I'm not sure of their status now, but part of the overall backgorund storyline of the novels talked about a war being thought by the Time Lords, against a mysterious unnamed enemy. Eventually long complicated events which i won't go into here resulted in the 8th Doctor being forced not just to destory Galifrey, but effectively wipe it from ever having existed.

The end result was that there were no more Time Lords, excepting those few renegades (i.e the Doctor and a few other) who were in TARDISes at the time and therefore protected from the changes to history. This all took place in a book called the Ancestor Cell if anyone wants to look it up.

Like a say not sure of the status canon wise of the novels now but the entire storyline sounds like what RTD is using as background for the new series.

BSG: not watched it yet. Going to catch up tonight

I hate to argue with that bastion of historical accuracy that is Wikipedia, but the BBC didn't 'opt out' of using K-9; in fact, they weren't given permission because writer Bob Baker was already involved in the animated K-9 series of his own. If you want to a first-person confirmation, take a look at the story I posted on Sci Fi Wire a few weeks ago:

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=38387

And if you don't want to go through the trouble of using the link, here's what producer Russell T. Davies told me when I asked him about that very topic:

"“One character that won't be appearing in the series is Smith's loyal robot dog, K-9, who last appeared in "School Reunion" and will also play a role in the special. "Sadly, we don't own the rights to K-9," Davies said. "[Writer] Bob Baker granted us the rights for 'School Reunion,' but he's been planning his own spinoff series for K-9 for the past 10-15 years. That series is in development right now with Jetix, so I hope it happens, and good luck to him."

What didn't appear in that piece from my conversation with Russell talking about The Sarah Jane Adventures: "we never had the rights for K-9 full-time because it was always his property, because it was created by him and Dave Martin as well. So I won’t give it away, but we have cameos and references to K-9 where we explain his absence very neatly."

Of all the episodes of the second season, "School Reunion" is the one I'm waiting for the most. And the clips I saw online make me want to see it even more. Of course, we don't know where it will air in France, but it will probably before april 2007 (the release date for the DVD set). And nobody can do creepy like Anthony Head, nobody!

I hate to argue with that bastion of historical accuracy that is Wikipedia, but the BBC didn't 'opt out' of using K-9; in fact, they weren't given permission because writer Bob Baker was already involved in the animated K-9 series of his own.

Fair enough. I forgot to add the standard "it's Wikipedia, so y'know..." disclaimer.

Hooper posted "Be fun to see if or when The Master returns!"

I can't find the reference, as it may have been said in the episode commentaries, but RTD has said on several occasions that he doesn't like the character of The Master one bit, and has no plans to use him in any upcoming episodes...

"Dr Who: in the large gap between the Paul Mcgan movie and the new series, the BBC published a series of 8th Doctor novels. At the time they were supposed to be considered 'canon'. I'm not sure of their status now, but part of the overall backgorund storyline of the novels talked about a war being thought by the Time Lords, against a mysterious unnamed enemy. Eventually long complicated events which i won't go into here resulted in the 8th Doctor being forced not just to destory Galifrey, but effectively wipe it from ever having existed."

I believe RTD stated somewhere that the war depicted in the books was not the same as the "Last Great Time War" mentioned in the new series; rather, it was more like the "Second-To-Last Great Time War". I further believe that the "unnamed enemy" in the books were the Daleks, who could not be named since the Terry Nation estate owns them and would not grant permission for their use. I further further believe that RTD & Co. have "leased" the Daleks for three seasons only, so unless things change, the Daleks will surely show up in Series Three and then may not again for a while...

I further further further believe that RTD will never come out and say the books or audio adventures are all canon, but will rather cherry-pick the bits he likes for his purposes and needs...

I don't fault RTD for that, but I still think the Master will come back eventually. Doctor Who has the potential to be around for decades again. Even if RTD doesn't eventually give in to the fans' love of the Master, he might retire from the show several years from now and have a successor who likes the character better.

"The element on BSG I found interesting was how traumatized the Dean Stockwell Cylon was after his latest death."

I remember that scene. The amusing/horrifying part of it is that they're talking about this in front of Baltar like he isn't even there. Number Five/Cavil/Dean Stockwell is talking about the horrors of being shot but his tone is that of someone talking about a really bad day at the office, maybe with a hangover. I can imagine Baltar hearing him describe events where a human would be struggling to survive, but Cavil was just trying to find a way to kill himself, because then, it's all better. Plus the Cylons seem to always meet in Baltar's office to discuss policy but it's obvious that he has absolutely no say in matters. They don't even seem to listen to input from him in any manner. His sole role is to be a rubber stamp. God, he must hate them. I can even see how he's going to turn this to his advantage. He's been privy to vast numbers of Cylon planning sessions and Cavil's little rant shows that they're willing to discuss the mechanics of there resurrection process and goodness knows what else around him. He's far too valuable an information asset to leave behind.

The final Eighth Doctor book, The Gallifrey Chronicles, seems to have re-established Gallifrey (so that some later event could wipe it out for the Ninth Doctor).

WRT the ASH character being rumored to be the Master: It is traditional for that character to take on names that are essentially the word "Master" in a foreign (not English, in other words) language; therefore, it wasn't such an unreasonable concept.

WRT to Sarah Jane being one of the few companions of the Doctor not to leave voluntarily, but to be asked to leave: Details will be much more distinct when I get to see THE HAND OF FEAR again in another month or so, but as I recall, the Doctor was being ordered to come to Gallifrey, and was presumably asking Sarah Jane to leave to protect her (as far as the canon of what's on the show goes, the last companions to encounter the Time lords had their memories wiped and were dumped back in their own times; this way, at least she got to remember everything. After all, given that there are plenty of people in UNIT who would *expect* her to remember certain things, her life could have been pretty messed up if she had a sudden case of amnesia). Also, she's the only companion we know of who the Doctor went back to check up on, and even gave a present (namely, K-9). So, for those who wouldn't have known, this wasn't a matter of a falling out between her and the Doctor.

Finally: I thought I read something about the Rani showing up in the third series; anyone know if there's any truth to that rumor?

BSG: It's possible that there are Cylon models that have been shelved, so that at the moment on seven of them are operational. I've heard distant rumors of one of the current models getting shelved, which I figure they'll do as various Cylon models join the humans (I'm half expecting a 6 and a 3 to join up before too long)... it's sort of how you knew Sharon had to die when the other Sharon showed up, they don't want to create *that* much confusion.

So, when is the White Ship going to show up? They've definitely been setting up the gods as real, so I figure there's going to be some variation of this... please let it be Shatner as god... please let it be Shatner :)

As for not seeing the other models: I justify that as the Cylons restricting the occupation to just models that the humans have already seen. No point in giving up a tactical advantage, just in case something goes wrong and they escape. In fact, that Doctor Cylon was only seen by Starbuck, so he had the least exposure and was seen the least during the occupation.

One other thing I noticed in the episode and I'm wondering if it is significant. The Dean Stockwell Cylon seemed to be saying that every time he downloaded it became more painful than the last. I wonder if they all have a limited number of downloads before things start going wrong.

Jason, I was wondering the same thing, otherwise there was really no point of planting such a big clue in the middle of that scene. I actually flashed back to the Riverworld series, where the Richard Burton (the explorer, not the actor) character keeps killing himself only to be resurrected somewhere else on the planet, until one of the mysterious aliens who created the resurrection technology inform him that each person only has a finite number of regenerations, so he'd better knock it off.

"...the Doctor was being ordered to come to Gallifrey, and was presumably asking Sarah Jane to leave to protect her..."

In The Hand of Fear, all the Doctor says is he "can't take Sarah to Gallifrey" - whether it was in fear for her life, his desire for her to retain her memories of him, or if humans simply weren't allowed on Gallifrey is something that's not answered until School Reunion. The 10th Doctor says humans weren't allowed on Gallifrey in those days.

"Also, she's the only companion we know of who the Doctor went back to check up on, and even gave a present (namely, K-9)."

In K9 & Company (the pilot for an aborted series), Sarah returns home after numerous off-screen travels to find K-9 waiting for her in a crate. If the Doctor did go back in person, they never met up, and he may have simply transported the dog to her...

He found out where she currently lived and gave her something. Even if he didn't physically step on her doorstep, he checked up on her and gave her a present.

I'm still trying to figure out why he wouldn't drop it off in person. Why both materialising outside the Fed-Ex building when you can materialise outside her house just as easily?

It'd make a great ad campaign, though. "Fed-Ex: so timely, it's used by Time Lords."

"I'm still trying to figure out why he wouldn't drop it off in person. Why both materialising outside the Fed-Ex building when you can materialise outside her house just as easily?"

Are you kidding me? Have you ever seen a Classic Series story where the Doctor actually landed the TARDIS where he intended to?!? This guy's a worse driver than drunk spider monkey...

RD Fozz-I thought I read something about the Rani showing up in the third series; anyone know if there's any truth to that rumor?

Sounds like possible fan wank to me, but then again I said that when I first heard about what turned out to actually be Season Two's big finale, so what do I know?

Seriously, though, concerning the Rani- Does anyone know what Pip and Jane Baker's current rel;ationship with the BBC is like? Joe N?

Steven Clubb- So, when is the White Ship going to show up? They've definitely been setting up the gods as real, so I figure there's going to be some variation of this... please let it be Shatner as god... please let it be Shatner :)

Only if someone asks him why God needs a starship? :p

About Sarah's memories; I'm running on second hand info here ('cause I'm still working my way through the Doctor's adventures in chronological order (meaning that I'm viewing episodes, reading novels and short stories, and listening to Big Finish's audios)) and I'm only nearing the end of Tom Baker's run, but I believe that history got all messed up by a group called Faction Paradox, and the Doctor actually had to watch Sarah (and other companions) die several times over. When everything was finally put to rights, there were huge sections of history that had to be overwritten so the Web of Time wouldn't unravel. Not too far of a stretch, then, to assume that this version of Sarah doesn't remember anything after the 4th dropped her off since, technically, it didn't happen to 'her.'
Anybody with firsthand knowledge of these events (from the BBC novel line, which are supposed to be canon), please feel free to confirm or deny.

In my heart, I know that the Master is out there somewhere, waiting to show up. If they've used the Daleks and the Cybermen, the Master can't be far behind (perhaps season three).

It's possible that since he is not in his original body any longer (Nyssa's father? I think), that might explain why he is no longer "connected" to the Doctor.

"Seriously, though, concerning the Rani- Does anyone know what Pip and Jane Baker's current rel;ationship with the BBC is like?"

I'm not sure what the Bakers are doing these days. I knew they worked on the- ahem- questionable Watt on Earth in the early nineties, and I'm pretty sure they did one of the Bill Baggs direct-to-video projects about five or six years ago if my memory isn't playing tricks on me.

You bring up an interesting point, which is if the new Doctor Who regime was going to do a Rani story, presumably they'd have to go to the Bakers for permission, wouldn't they? And would Russell and Company then have to say, 'Thanks, but we don't want you to write it?' I'm not all that sure it would happen anyway; the new bosses don't seem to be overly enthusiastic about using people from the original series. To my knowledge, only two people from the original Doctor Who have worked on the series, the first being director Graeme Harper, and the other being my much better half.

And I'd like to add my name to the list of people who would like to see the Master return, if for no other reason than to exorcise the memory of Eric Roberts from my mind once and for all.

"Are you kidding me? Have you ever seen a Classic Series story where the Doctor actually landed the TARDIS where he intended to?!? "

It happened a few times, though you're right that it was pretty rare. However, it's just as likely to land no where near a delivery service as nowhere near her home.

I'm not sure why the distinction between mailing her a present and dropping it off at her house is an important one.

In my heart, I know that the Master is out there somewhere, waiting to show up.

As soon as he finds a way to crawl out of the Eye of Harmony. :)

Just because it's fun to bring up. Tom Baker has expressed interest in playing The Master in the new series... or did prior to it starting.

And I've long thought it might be fun to Forrest Gump the "lost" episode, Shada. I figure the videotape footage would be completely useless, but they might be able to do something with the location film. It would be an interesting way to finish the serial.

Hasn't anybody condidered the idea that Baltar is in fact a Cylon?

How could he have survived that explosion in the opening credits? By Number Six's shielding his body? It would certainly explain how he shows up in that meadow with nary a scratch--he downloaded there, then took Helo's(?) place on the transport.

It would certainly explain how Number Six and he are linked by illusionary versions of each other. Perhaps they are a program in the Cylon database constructed to try to understand human motivation?

Just a thought.

--Captain Naraht.

"John, I remember some of those rumors about Head, but I'm pretty sure it was because he was playing the headmaster of the school, and that sort of became Head-Master. and then Head...Master. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. I remember seeing a Doctor Who news piece of mine that was somehow mis-repeated and eventually became something else entirely, because it was the wrong version that was then repeated. 'What?' I hear you say, 'SF fans getting it wrong?' Yeah, hard to believe, isn't it?"

There's also the fact that the promo people were gleefully playing up the possibility, to the point that one of the promo images showed ASH standing next to a "headmaster" tag that was half-cut off by the screen, so that he was right by a sign screaming "MASTER." No way that's not intentional.

The Headmaster's motivations and actions were so utterly Master-like that I'm convinced they at least placed him in there as a backdoor -- namely, that they could easily slot him in as the Master at a later date, or just as easily forget he was ever there.

We'll see the Master sooner or later. The whole "time lords are all dead" thing is a gigantic, slow-burn uber-arc, but I don't believe for a moment that it won't be resolved eventually. (I suspect the Face of Boe's final message will lead into this, actually.)

Not to spoil things, but last years Doctor Who annual revealed that the Doctor is not a lone survivor. A fact which turns up during the 2nd series.

I'm new to BSG, but agree with Peter on the lazy parts. But does anyone else think Lucy Lawless is really hot? Is it really zena? Wow

ScotiaNova -
Not to spoil things, but last years Doctor Who annual revealed that the Doctor is not a lone survivor.

Doctor Who Annual? Is that the magazine?

A fact which turns up during the 2nd series.

You'll have to remind me where this 'fact' turned up.

I have only seen "The Christmas Invasion" and "New Earth" so far this season, because I don't have cable and for some reason the CBC is airing _Doctor Who_ about a week after the Sci-Fi channel does. However, I read some time ago about Sarah Jane's "I thought you died" line. I understand there's some question about whether she remembers the events of "The Five Doctors" (and/or whether it now ever occurred). Personally, I don't see any contradiction if she does remember that adventure. Think about it. It was filmed in 1983 for the 20th anniversary; and if we assume the "present day" scenes in that story also took place in 1983, and the current "present day" scenes take place in 2006, that means Sarah Jane has gone 23 years without having heard word one from the Doctor (in any of his incarnations). After _23 years_, why _wouldn't_ she assume he'd died?

On another note, Joe Nazzaro, regarding Pertwee saying the "teeth and curls" line in "The Five Doctors", you'll note that Sarah Jane is miming someone with teeth and curls, and that he responds with a question, not a statement.

Michael D: " I believe there's a line in The Five Doctors that states the previous characters will retain no memories of the events once they return to their proper era."

No, there's no such line. They simply leave. You may be thinking of the Second Doctor's and the Brigadier's encounter with images of his former companions, Zoe and Jamie in that story. At the end of his last story, "The War Games", the Time Lords erased their memories of all but their first respective adventure with the Doctor before returning them to their own times. In "The Five Doctors", the Doctor tells "Zoe" and "Jamie" they're not real because the Time Lords erased their memories of the period they spent with him. "So how do you know who we are?"

Actually, as I noted above, they _would_ know whom the Doctor was. It's the Brigadier the real Zoe and Jamie would be clueless about.

Rick

Don't worry, Steve. I'm quite certain that you're nowhere near alone regarding the hotness of Lucy Lawless.

The Doctor Who annual is a hardback book produced by the BBC, it's a staple of kiddies christmases here in the UK. I don't own the book, but read it in the shop I worked in at the time. And there was a portion about the time war being etched in a kind of tapestry in rock on a far off planet and ended with the inscription "you are not alone", or somesuch.
This years annual has an interesting lenticular cover with Eccleston and Tennant.

"Not to spoil things, but last years Doctor Who annual revealed that the Doctor is not a lone survivor. A fact which turns up during the 2nd series."

Which part of that statement wasn't a spoiler? Sheesh.

josh

PS If you don't want to spoil things, try not posting spoilers.

Josh,

From his POV, it wasn't a spoiler because the the second season aired months ago in the UK. Give the guy a break.

ScotiaNova,

The second season of Who just started airing on the SciFi Channel a few weeks ago. The latest episode was School Reunion on Friday and they air once a week. So a lot of Season Two info is spoiler info at this time.

BSG: I also thought Casey was a little too old to be Kara's child. Maybe it's a young version of 6?

Also, am I the only one who thinks the cylon cracked Casey over the head, rather than her just having a regular accident? It was a little too convenient that she had an accident the moment Kara left the room.

BSG:
Speaking of Starbuck's "non" child, how about Casey waking up just as she accepted Doral's premise? Don't get me wrong, I think it's good writing and is a clue that this is all yet another ploy by Doral. And simply due to repatition, Starbuck is starting to break. My girlfriend (who has a 3 soon to be 4 year old) says that the actress looks about 2, which is close to what a Casey would be. Don't forget the lost year and then the 4 months at the begining of season 3, gives us about 18 months or so. But I agree, it's not Starbuck's kid.

This is the 2nd website where I've read this about cylons being "boxed". I'm guessing I missed it, where was it mentioned in the episode?

Baltar, I'm betting (and this is ENTIRELY speculation on my part, I totally avoid spoilers) he doesn't make it back to Galactica. He gets stuck with the Cylons and & #6. Like someone says above, he knows far too much to be let go of.
Also, I think the "in head" #6 only apears when Caprica 6 is not around. In head only appeared after Caprica 6 was shot. And I agree with the notion that was the first time Baltar had seen her since they cylons landed.
I don't think Baltar is a cylon, but have thought the same thing about him surviving the house's demolition AND him looking directly at a nuclear explosion (which should blind him).

While I'm pontificating and question asking, can anybody tell me if we know that Tom Zerek killed anybody when he blew the building up 20 years ago? I'm really enjoying Richard Hatch's performances & wish other actors could join in. Say roles they would be perfect for like maybe "Starbuck's Father"?

What's up with Apollo's weight gain? Is it just storyline or is there something up with the actor?

I'll forgive the "re-writing" of the cliffhanger if they don't use it all the time. I hate to say it, but it is a cop out especially if used all the time. I figured there was something up the cliffhanger last week, but wasn't sure what.

Butch, the reason for Apollo's weight gain is due to the year he spent on the Pegasus basically doing nothing- in fact there's a scene where Adama gives him a hard time about going soft, so yes, it's a deliberate story point that I suspect will be playing out in upcoming episodes. In fact, I believe there's an upcoming episode called 'Unfinished Business,' in which Adama green-lights a boxing tournament to clear the air of all the lingering hard feelings between various officer and crew personnel. If memory serves, I think Tyrol challenges Appolo to a match.

Butch R,

The term about cylons being "boxed" is from the episode, late in the second season, that happens on Caprica where we see what happened to Caprica Six and Boomer after they Downloaded and were resurrected. I don't recall exactly what happens but I recall that they're basically put in cold storage indefinitely. It's the same (and only) episode where we see that Caprica Six is seeing an insubstantial Baltar.

K-9...

This was worth the price of admission just to hear my 2 favorite Tom Baker Who companions.

Yes I did love Leela {I mean what hormonal teenage boy wouldn't} but Sarah Jane still holds a sacred place in my heart.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the voicework of K-9 done by the same actor from the Tom Baker days?

BSG, I didn't like the dreamscape vision that the Xena Fembot received and the fact that she told the 6 Cylon. It does set the stage for future problems with the President, Adama, and Sharon, but I still would have preferred the writers did it another way.

Of the Sci Fi Friday episodes I am going with Doctor Who...(Anthony Head [Giles] and K-9) I was/am geeking out over here.

Regards:
Warren S. Jones III

I loved the School Reunions episode. Seeing Sara Jane and K-9 made me so happy, even though I'm not so far a big fan of the newest doctor. I've been wondering about all this "last Time Lord" stuff myself. What about Romana and K-9 II - didn't they stay in e-space or whatever it was called? Would they have been affected?

Posted by: Butch R at October 16, 2006 01:48 PM

I don't think Baltar is a cylon, but have thought the same thing about him surviving the house's demolition AND him looking directly at a nuclear explosion (which should blind him).

I wouldn't read too much into that. I suspect the writers were merely being sloppy. After all, the Cylons supposedly nuked the living hell out of Caprica and yet every time we've seen that post-nuclear-holocaust world all of the buildings are standing and the vegetation remains richly abundant.

What about Romana and K-9 II - didn't they stay in e-space or whatever it was called

According to RTD, Romana was president of Galifrey (as shown in the novels and the Big Finish audios) at the time of Galifrey's destruction. Presumingly, her K-9 was with her.

"What's up with Apollo's weight gain? Is it just storyline or is there something up with the actor?"

Bamber did an sci-fi chat talking about that. It's for the first half seasons' arc. It's also padding.

www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/

There's a vid on there with Bamber getting put in the makeup.

"According to RTD, Romana was president of Galifrey (as shown in the novels and the Big Finish audios) at the time of Galifrey's destruction. Presumingly, her K-9 was with her."

That's interesting. Didn't the original K-9 stay on Galifrey with Leela? I can just imagine the two K-9s together. They could form a singing group.

Jason M Bryant: Somewhere in my archives, I still have a bumper sticker with a parody of the old FedEx logo and slogan (from when they were still Federal Express): "TARDIS EXPRESS: When it absolutely, positively has to be there before you mailed it."

Steven Clubb: I think most of the "Shada" OB (film) footage was already used for the brief 4th Doctor appearance in "The Five Doctors", and I seem to recall the BBC releasing something on video awhile back with all the extant footage and a certain amount of commentary. Plus, of course, Douglas Adams re-used pretty much the entire plot (along with a big chunk of "City of Death") for the novel _Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency_. So I think it's kind of been done to death at this point.

Warren S. Jones III: Yes, that's the voice of John Leeson, who originated the K-9 role (and returned to it after one or two series with a different actor).

Don, that's pretty good. That reminds me of a SNL sketch from about 15 years ago. It had a guy getting fired for turning in a report late, then getting a promotion instead when he used Einstein Express to send the report to himself two weeks earlier. Then it had a guy sending birth control pills to his girlfriend a month ago.

They only used the punting scene from Shada in Five Doctors. All of the location footage for the serial had been completed, so there's quite a bit of it.

And I really wouldn't suggest a straight re-do, but they could probably rework the footage if they put their mind to it. Maybe a plot-within-the-plot, where the 10th Doctor is trying to avoid his previous self in order to prevent an entirely different crisis. If it's possible to pull off decently on a BBC budget, that's probably the episode to use, since you can make pretty much any change you want.

OK, small interjection on Who canon here, working from memory so probably contains some degree of human error...

After the BBC series went on hiatus, BBC licensed Virgin to produce "New Adventures" novels, picking up with the 7th doctor and Ace. Virgin later picked up a license to do "Missing Adventures" featuring doctors 1-6. The "New Adventures" ran up until one final novel (The Dying Days?) which introduced the 8th Doctor. At that point the license reverted to the BBC who began their own range of 8th Doctor novels, again this was joined shortly by a range of missing adventures featuring Doctors 1-7...

The Virgin novels begat a range of books featuring Bernice Summerfield, who had been a companion of their Doctor.

Meanwhile, Big Finish had been licensed by the BBC to produce audio CDs featuring Doctors 5-8.

The audio series spawned it's own subset of specials and spin-offs, including a UNIT series and 'Gallifrey' featuring Leela, Romana and 2 x K-9s.

There is also an excellent spin off ine of books and audios concentrating on Faction Paradox.

Not forgetting the BBC web broadcasts which featured a radically different take on the 7th Doctor as well as introducing the real 9th Doctor..

However, back to 'canon'...

As I understand it, because the BBC is a publicly funded organisation, it's not allowed to directly market it's licensed products for commercial profit... So each of the strands above, had to be effectively stand alone, ie: they couldn't say 'here are our 8th doctor stories, but in order to figure out WTF is happening you need to go buy these 50 books from Virgin', which is one reason - I believe - that RTD lopped off a lot of the Doctor's past in the new series. There was also an element of deliberately making the new series a good jumping on point for people who knew nothing about the Doctor's pasts.

So from one point of view they are all seperate entities. From another point of view, so many of the same creative people have been responsible for the stories that a lot of concepts and ideas have been kept broadly consistant across the whole range of publications...

So you can pretty much pick and choose what is or isn't canon purely based on your own personal tastes!!

Cheers!

Loved when Rose referred to K-9 as looking "disco." That was worth the price of admission all by itself.

As for the unfilmed Shada footage, are you all aware that the BBC are now releasing an incomplete serial from the Troughton era with the missing portions/episodes being replaced with animation using the original audio tracks recorded by fans from the original transmission?

Interestingly - Amanda Plummer (the seer) is credited for the first 3 episodes - I wonder if some key scenes were left out in the final cut...

Paul McGann (the 8th Doctor) John Leeson (K9) and Lalla Ward (Romana II) starred in the BBCi Webcast of "Shada" some years back...

Steven Clubb: It's been a long time since I saw "The Five Doctors", and I suspect memory was filling in more Baker footage than was actually there. My goof. I still think it's going to be - and SHOULD be - a long time before the current series gets around to a rework of the story instead of new plots (though in fairness, I'd take an enveloped "Shada" over the waste of time, money and talent that is "Love & Monsters", coming up later in this season).

ScotiaNova: OH yes. I already have "The Invasion" DVD set on order from Sendit. The brief animation clip on the BBC's website looks pretty damn good, and I'm very happy they used Cosgrove-Hall for the work.

One quibble, though: as I understand it, the surviving audio tracks from the original episodes aren't fan recordings (though a few of the recovered "lost" video episodes are) - they're out of the BBC's own archives, and I get the impression from the Beeb's description that most or all of the wiped 1st and 2nd Doctor series still exist as audio recordings as well. Seems to have been common practice at the time, apparently to provide an on-air backup (with accompanying "telesnap" screenshots) in case the tape failed during broadcast; they've released a couple of other shows (such as the SF miniseries "A For Andromeda") in that format.

In other words, they've got a whole library of material that could be animated if "The Invasion" sells well enough - and I hope this is the case.

Dr Who - Personally I liked the episode even though I’ve been missing the previous incarnation of the Doctor terribly.

BSG - I’m still not understanding how the whole Cylon heirarchy works and would really like to see that explained more than anything else. I caught an old episode of the first BSG and noted that a reference was made to a ‘leader’ which I can’t ever remember seeing but is an element which hasn’t even been suggested in the new series to this point.

Baltar is a lock to stay wih the Cylons. Don’t forget Roslyn made a comment earlier remembering seeing Baltar with Number Six back on Caprica before the attack and after the events of the last several months he has to have cemented himself as traitor numero uno to the human race.

The other thing which I’m a bit curious about is if the Cylons themselves have decided bringing religion to the human savages is a waste of their time, why aren’t they just letting them go their way. Seems like a big waste of their energy otherwise.

I’m wondering too when the BSG universe is going to collide with some other races?

Jason M. Bryant wrote:
That's interesting. Didn't the original K-9 stay on Galifrey with Leela? I can just imagine the two K-9s together. They could form a singing group.

That's what distroyed Galifrey!! The K-9's dyslexic singing. :D

Sorry about the bad spelling in my previous post, I was too busy laugthing at my bad joke to check my spelling...

"BSG - I’m still not understanding how the whole Cylon heirarchy works and would really like to see that explained more than anything else. I caught an old episode of the first BSG and noted that a reference was made to a ‘leader’ which I can’t ever remember seeing but is an element which hasn’t even been suggested in the new series to this point."

In the original BSG series, the Cylons had an Imperious Leader who was from a model that was designed for decision making instead of fighting. He was much more spoken of than seen. The governing structure of the Cylons in the new series is more complex. Based on what I've seen in the third season so far, representatives of at some of the twelve Cylon models get together and try to come to a cosensis. This would be impossible for humans, but it looks individual memebers of each model of Cylon are even extremely similar in their thinking process. I'm guessing that they were all identical when they were first made and that any difference are a result of different experiences they've encountered. It seems to be assumed that one or two of the individual members of a Cylon model can speak for the whole line. However, I think I'm seeing hints that it's getting more difficult for the Cylons to agree on things than before.

"The other thing which I’m a bit curious about is if the Cylons themselves have decided bringing religion to the human savages is a waste of their time, why aren’t they just letting them go their way. Seems like a big waste of their energy otherwise."

I think the Cylons are afraid that the humans will one day return and destroy them if they're left to their own devices. The Cylons in the new BSG started out as a slave-race to the humans. The first war against them was a Cylon rebellion. I think that a deep fear of humanity is inherant in the Cylon psyche. They can't just leave them alone. The Cylons have to either control them or wipe them to be safe from them.

Joe,

I had the pleasure of interviewing Elizabeth face-to-face the day after the episode went out in the UK and she was an utter delight. She was convinced that most people wouldn't like the episode and seemed genuinely shocked when people kept coming up to her and saying 'You were great'.

Which of course, she was.

Jerry C Thanks for the info & link

Bill Myers good point

David Hunt thanks for the info. As soon as I read your response, I remembered it.

Joe Nazzaro Thanks for the info. Like the sound of the episode.

Jerry C Thanks for the info & link

Bill Myers good point

David Hunt thanks for the info. As soon as I read your response, I remembered it.

Joe Nazzaro Thanks for the info. Like the sound of the episode.

Jason M. Bryant: "That's interesting. Didn't the original K-9 stay on Galifrey with Leela? I can just imagine the two K-9s together. They could form a singing group."

The Gallifrey series is wonderful...and yes, the Romana K-9 is regularly harping about how he's a more advanced model than the Lella K-9 (although something happens to deal with that particular problem). The best part is, in the later audios, the Mary Tamm Romana shows up, too. Great, great stuff.

And while Big Finish doesn't have the rights to do anything with the current BBC series, a recent 5th Doctor audio adventure managed to sneak the 9th Doctor into the story, and even had a passable 4th Doctor impersonation!

Now, I need to get home and listen to the one I just got in the mail, with Janet Fielding doing her one and only audio play. I'm still floored they got her. The only companion from the 4th Doctor onwards that hasn't appeared is Adric (although Matthew Waterhouse did a role in Zagreus). Hmmm...I'm nerded out for the day.

"In the original BSG series, the Cylons had an Imperious Leader who was from a model that was designed for decision making instead of fighting. He was much more spoken of than seen."

Yep; only appeared a handful of times. Voiced by Patrick MacNee, who also appeared as Count Iblis, aka Space Satan, who intuited that there was some connection between himself and the Cylons.

With all the crazy religious overtones of BSG, especially in the first season, I'll be stunned if SPACE! SATAN! doesn't make an appearance at some point or another. Possibly as the mastermind who's beaming Crazy Thoughts to Baltar and Caprica-6's heads.

So, on the tangent of Doctor Who, who's ready for Who: The Adult Edition featuring Captain Jack this weekend? :)

"So, on the tangent of Doctor Who, who's ready for Who: The Adult Edition featuring Captain Jack this weekend? :)"

Torchwood?

Ready, willing and able.

Which is probably Jack's personal credo :P

www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood for those of you in foreign parts.

Cheers.

BSG: Thinking back to last season I came to the conclusion that the Six which killed another Cylon for Baltar just might be the Caprica-Six that is in his head and the is the same Six he fell in love with before the Cylons attacked. When she was around there were no visions.

To my understanding, when a Cylon is killed their memories and consciousness are downloaded into another body but, at the same time their memories are shared with the other like models.

The original Six’s feeling for Baltar have been passed to the other Six’s; you can see this in their willingness to take Baltars’ side or protect him when he is in conflict with the other Cylon models.

The same logic path can be seen in some of the Sharon cylons’.