January 15, 2004

WHAD'JA THINK? CAPTAIN MARVEL #18

The conclusion to the storyline regarding the madness of Captain Marvel...or isssss it?

Whad'ja think?

PAD

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Posted by: Dennis V. at January 15, 2004 01:47 AM

I just finished reading the new ish and thought it was okay but at this point I'm pretty weary of this whole 'insane' storyline (sorry, but I am). I'm just glad this whole storyline is finally over (or maybe it isn't judging by the last page). On the plus side, I like the new costume design (well, I'm pretty sure I do -- although that muddy artwork/coloring really makes it look bad along with the rest of the book). And things should be interesting if 'Sister Vell' sticks around.

PS- Marlo?!

Posted by: Nacho F. at January 15, 2004 02:50 AM

I agree about the art. It kinda ruined the story for me a bit. Michael Ryan did a great job on the issues he did, and after seeing what he did in Iron Man, he's proven he's consistant and can grow better over time. I'd love it if he was on this book full time.

Posted by: DB Bennett at January 15, 2004 05:00 AM

Dear Peter,

First, thanks for taking steps to preserve the letter column. I'm only sorry I don't take advantage of it more often.

As for Marvel's CAPTAIN MARVEL, every time I start to compose a letter, I have a nasty feeling it won't come in at under 20 pages. Trying to express my feelings about a book this complicated is a little intimidating.

But I guess this letter isn't getting any shorter -- so here goes:

To begin with, I've bought every monthly issue of this book since it started. And I've pretty much enjoyed it. Which means I'm probably the wrong person to ask about "fixing" it. I honestly didn't think it was broken.

To be fair, I liked your writing better than Cross' art. Nothing against the guy, some styles work with me, some just don't. That doesn't mean the world's going to end.

So, since the revamp, we've had Marv go crazy, Marv get a new costume, Rick mostly stuck in the Microverse, and most of the old Mar-Vell supporting cast now seems to have made a surprise return.

Reading about Marv's mental difficulties was kind of depressing. I felt like there was this nice heroic character buried in there somewhere and I stuck with the book hoping to see him return someday.

That said, you did a much better job justifying Marv's mental state than many other current writers who've had characters start murdering people at the drop of a hat. You deserve credit for that.

As for the new costume -- I was frankly happy to see it gone this month. No offense, I've just always thought the finhead Mar-Vell costume was one of the all-time ugliest outfits ever slapped on a mainstream superhero. Alex Ross' modification was nowhere near as hideous, but looking at it still gave me the heebie-jeebies.

(Yes I do think the AVENGERS FOREVER outfit looks better in red, but I'm just going to count the new white version as a step in the right direction and move on. I'll probably live longer that way.)

On to Rick Jones. I've always liked Rick and always felt CAPTAIN MARVEL was the book that used him to best advantage. That's because he practically shares center stage with the title character. I get the impression that Rick's role has been reduced because you think he might have been overused in the book's last run.

Fair enough. Now we've had 18 issues of Marv. How about now we let them SHARE the spotlight for a while. I want to see how Rick relates to the Titans. I want to see Rick renew some of his connections back on Earth. I want to see how Marv relates to the Titans. I want to see Marv renew some of his connections back on Earth. You get the idea.

Oh yeah, the ending. The "angel and devil whispering from Marv's shoulders" bit. I haven't the faintest idea how that'll work out. Not a clue. I hope that's a good thing.

I hope Marv really is getting better.

I guess I'll see what happens next month.

D.B. Bennett

Conway, Ark.

Posted by: Mild Mannered Janitor at January 15, 2004 06:29 AM

I liked it. It was a nice "conclusion" to the insanity arc whilst still retaining an air of uncertainty. The closest analogy I could give, and I apologise in advance to Peter because I suspect he won't like it, is that episode of Buffy when she was in the asylum. Which ended in such a manner as to leave a question mark over reality as we know it.

I did, however, have to read the book a couple of times to fully follow Marv's mothers' explanation for what had gone on. I [i]think[/i] I've got it more or less straight now, but I was lost there for a moment or five.

On the other hand, I am very intrigued by the Shi-ar, Kree, Skrull developments and look forward to seeing how these will play out in the future.

And, next issue, Marlo's back. With Aaron Lopresti artwork. Cool.

Posted by: shane at January 15, 2004 06:32 AM

I just wanted to say I appreciate the attempt to fix the continuity glitch involving the Absorbong Man. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Eric at January 15, 2004 07:14 AM

That's it, I'm done. The terrible artwork, the dragging out the story for the trade Marvel mentality, and the $2.99 price tag finally did it. I was hoping this book wasn't going in the direction of many of the Marvel books these days with the constant talking heads and skimping on the action. Captain Marvel and 1602 were the only Marvel books I got yesterday and both were more thatn all the DC titles ($2.50) I got yesterday. I'll take my $2.99 spend it on another cheaper title, or just save it. Once 1602 is over Marvel will have to work a lot harder to get my dollar, especially now that some titles are going to Marvel Knights (*yawn*) and possibly going to $2.99 as well (can anyone say implosion). Fun while it lasted. I'm still picking up Fallen Angel though. Sorry I um...digressed.

Eric D.

Cincinnati, OH

(yeah like they'd print this. ; )

Posted by: Doug Atkinson at January 15, 2004 08:11 AM

I just have to say that the use of a single word made me laugh out loud harder than I've laughed at a comic in some time.

"SPLIT!"

Hilarious, and I wonder how many people got it...

Posted by: KET at January 15, 2004 08:12 AM

One of my two favorite comics this week (which, coincidently enough, are both written by PAD).

I thought this issue brought about an interesting resolution to Marv's insanity without resorting to an absolute that would have proved ultimately disappointing. LOVED the way this episode started, too; that opening scenario dovetailed to great effect with the last paragraph on the recap page.

KET

Posted by: Greg Fischer at January 15, 2004 08:24 AM

Awesome!

The Leader of the Titans line made me laugh out loud.

Actually, the whole issue kept me chuckling. The last paragraph in the introduction was great.

As I was getting toward the end of the book, I was feeling disappointed that the insanity plot was coming to a close so easily, and then WHAM! Nice!

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: --Brad at January 15, 2004 08:39 AM

I read the issue, and I'm going to postulate what happens next:

SPOILER ALERT

Captain Marvel is indeed cured of his insanity and Entropy is going to put him in a situation where he has to prove he's still insane. He'll then say "Ah-HA! Fooled you! I am, in fact, cured!"

Mind you, this is the predictable conclusion. PAD has a history of trying to avoid predictable conclusions.

Posted by: Doug Hancock at January 15, 2004 08:40 AM

Peter,

I have grown tired of the insanity storyline and I'm tired of the ugly, ugly art. Why do they have to ruin what may have been good pencils (it's hard to say judging from the finished product) by using this lousy coloring?

I will continue to check out the book on a month to month basis buy I'm taking it off my pull list. I'm sorry, I've supported this book since the first volume started, but for the past few months it keeps getting shoved to the bottom of my reading pile. At some point I have to give up on it. Again, I'm sorry.

Doug Hancock

Cincinnati, OH

Posted by: Rob Merritt at January 15, 2004 08:43 AM

With a few exceptions, the last 18 issues have been pure suck for me. I liked the last volume so much that I keep buying this one hoping that somehow, it will improve and return to its former glory. I guess it isn't going to happen.... I feel like I've returned to the early 90s when Chris Claremont took the Xmen to the out back for 30 issues with nothing happening.

Posted by: kenn at January 15, 2004 10:20 AM

"Split!" My God. Do you come up with the lines first or the situations? This is one of the funniest lines since the Hulk replied "The Challengers of the Unknown?"

Posted by: Michael Hoskin at January 15, 2004 10:23 AM

I began reading Captain Marvel regularly again as of #13, after several years of on-again off-again reading. It seems as though for every issue of Captain Marvel I love (Maximum Security) along comes another I despise (Fredd).

Even though I haven't been reading the current volume regularly for very long, I'm tired of Genis being insane, and I can't say I'm at all enthused to see that this situation is still unresolved. That being the case, I doubt I'm coming back next month.

I did like the art in most places, although the new colors on Genis' costume (or absence thereof) don't do a thing for me.

And while I like Phyla conceptually, I wish she'd done something during "Crazy Like a Fox" aside from annoy Genis and confuse the readers. She feels more like a plot device than a character.

Posted by: Mike M. at January 15, 2004 10:39 AM

Dear PAD,

While the first few issues of the current run left me flat, when I sit back and read it all together, it pieces together to be one of the best storyarcs I've ever read. This last issue was awesome, with drama and silliness balanced perfectly to create an intense story.

And the ending knocked me over. I thought this has all come to an head, but turns out I might have been wrong. Thanks for keeping us guessing and as always, for creating a terrific comic

Mike Maillaro

Parlin, New Jersey

Posted by: E. weatherhead at January 15, 2004 10:47 AM

I thought the pencils were great, and the coloring was terrific... but an inker would have been great to bridge the two - and create a cohesive whole. The reason some of the art looks a little muddy is the absence of any real black shadow-areas. The artist seems to go for a high-contrast style with very little hatching in his technique, whereas the colorist uses a dark color tone where a pitch-black shadow would be (to create said contrast). I hope they pay attention to this in the future, not all pencilers’ styles adapt well to being colored without ink (I hope they assign an inker when one is needed in the future). But I guess this is an editorial concern, and not so much Mr. David’s.

Now what makes this series truly engaging (for me anyways) is the writing! Peter David’s imagination is the real engine behind this book, and come hell or high prices, I’ll follow his story to the bitter end.

Great issue! Can't wait to see what happens next!

Posted by: Markisan at January 15, 2004 10:59 AM

I love every issue of Captain Marvel. But this this one was especially good.

Damn funny. Great explanation of what's been going on with Marv. Sweet new costume. And I love the ambiguous ending.

If Marv is indeed still crazy, I think it's gonna be a lot of fun to watch an insane man trying to be a hero. The unpredictability of Captain Marvel is very, very refreshing.

Great work, Peter.

Posted by: Johnny Fuller at January 15, 2004 11:58 AM

I don't care for the artwork. The story was fine. I'm happy that someone at least tried to explain the continuity inconsistancy thing. I assume that the picture was one of Crusher Creel kneeling over his wife as he was in Thor and also sitting on the stool confined in the bubble as he was in his latest Hulk appearance. Now whenever we see total contradictions in continuity, we can blame it on Genis.

Posted by: Jeff at January 15, 2004 12:34 PM

He did telegraph the "split" bit in the last paragraph of the introduction, making it a bit easier to catch.

I suppose it would have been a lot harder for him to have worked "xam" into it...

Posted by: Matt Wittenrich at January 15, 2004 01:14 PM

Issue 18 was another great read. The Marvel circus was an excellent touch, providing some important background visuals to a dialogue-heavy segment. I was afraid the issue was building toward Marv becoming a more run of the mill superhero, but the uncertainty in the ending saved the issue for me.

I really hope we see the return of Marv's Kree uniform in the future. It's easily my favorite of his wardrobe thus far.

Posted by: Mild Mannered Janitor at January 15, 2004 01:22 PM

Can someone please explain to me why you find the "Split" part of the book so amusing? I think I'm missing some sort of pop reference here, because it passed right by me. Thanks.

Posted by: Russell at January 15, 2004 01:29 PM

Re: The "Absorbing Man Continuity 'fix'." Was that your personal comment on the somewhat shakey continuity we've been getting from Marvel lately or is Elysius' speech something the rest of the Marvel line is going to use to explain the all the little glicthes of late?

Posted by: Doug Atkinson at January 15, 2004 01:33 PM

Regarding "Split!", this link should explain it:

http://ape-law.com/GAF/Page21

Posted by: Nate at January 15, 2004 02:55 PM

While I liked it, the insanity thing has gone on too long. And the notion that it's not over isn't exactly making me do jumping jacks.

Plus, the art isn't working for me. It was a great style for Chris Cross. But with the new artists it's type to go back to inks & normal coloring.

Posted by: Peter at January 15, 2004 03:38 PM

This was probably one of my favorite issues of the latest volume (not nearly as enjoyable as when it was still v3, but oh well :/) I particularly liked the Robin/Titans joke, Rick's Ringmaster costume, and of course the ending.

What I didn't like altogether much was the art. I'm pretty sure that the penciler is okay at what he does, but the lack of inks probably ruins the effect he goes for. It often looks sloppy and unfinished (which is what uninked pencils tend to look like), while the script asks for a slightly tighter touch, in my eyes.

The interesting thing about the Absorbing Man sitting by Titania is that it reminded me of Priest having to fix *Titania*'s continuity glitch back when he wrote Deadpool. She was dying and so Absy fought Thor (Larsen drew it), and of course simultaneously she was showing up in Deadpool, living with 'Pool and the Constrictor. It's just unintentionally amusing that Marvel keeps on messing up the portrayal of the Absorbing Man and Titania (though come to think of it, Marvel does that with a lot of characters these days).

Anyway, the insanity bit was fun for a while (and also dull for certain parts of it, because it all seemed to pat for, well, PAD :)), but now I hope we can move on to something either more space-opera-like or something funnier (or both, like make fun of the Brood--you can have the X-Men or at least Wolverine guest-star then, Marvel should be into that ;p)

Overall I guess I enjoyed Crazy Like A Fox, but I'm hoping that the coming of Aaron Lopresti will stop me from being distracted by art that's often jarring. It really hasn't been a smooth read (though I realize Azaceta's potential, he's just been unlucky with the coloring).

Oh, also funny: Ultimate Adventures #6 came out this week too? Bwah! :D

(seriously, Marvel should be hideously ashamed about that one, come *on*, CM4 is at eighteen!!!)

May you reach #100. I'll have my gripes, but I'll probably keep on buying it as long as you're writing it, Peter :) I just wish it wasn't 3 bucks, *sigh* (more for me thanks to being foreign :/)

PS: didn't understand the Split! joke at all but reading that article about it was fun :)

Posted by: Chris Flowers at January 15, 2004 05:14 PM

I'll keep this short

I loved the latest issue..good stuff. I'm really going to miss the Alex Ross costume. I thought it was a great take on a classic design and was very..."iconic"

I wish you guys could keep him in the Alex Ross costume minus the helmet. I also liked how some of the artists drew the costume as looking white /silvery in the spacey parts as opposed to the black star field effect. I think the Ross costume would be perfect for Genis and really hope to see it return. The NEW costume isn't bad but i like the Kree costume better or the red and blue

Mar-vell costume Genny's daddy wore..

Sorry if i sound like one of those Queer Eye guys....hehe just putting in my two cents. Captain Marvel continues to be my favorite book every month. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Julio at January 15, 2004 07:09 PM

Are you still good friends with Dale Keown? John Bryne? Stephen Platt (i'm sure he's looking for work) or even *gulp* Rob Liefeld? I'm sure they'd love drawing the book on a monthly basis. It's nothing personal against the artist and colorist, but I believe its time to bring in a steady artist and inker.

Good story overall. I'm looking forward to the new arc next month.

Posted by: Thacher E. Cleveland at January 15, 2004 08:53 PM

I dug it. While the art is not my favorite, I think it gets the job done. I like the ambiguity of the ending, but it'd be interesting to see a return to the times before U-Decide.

And for the record, I always dig ChrissCross' art. I've loved it since Blood Syndicate.

I always feel guilty commenting about the art, because that's not really your department, but this was really a good issue.

Thanks for all the good issues, Peter. I think we forget to say that sometimes, so thanks.

Posted by: Anthony White at January 15, 2004 09:24 PM

Is there any chance Rick Jones will be dumped from the book or killed? Rick Jones is the reason why I don't read this book.

Posted by: Eric Sellers at January 16, 2004 01:48 AM

Mr. Peter David,

I really enjoyed "CRAZY LIKE A FOX"

it was a great read. It keep me on the edge of my seat the whole time.

A few questions.

1) Any chance of bring in SONGBIRD as a supporting character?

2)Any chance of getting Tom Grummett to do a few covers or a fill-in issue?

3) Will there be any crossovers with SILVER SURFER or THANOS any time soon?

Eric Sellers

Lebanon, Pa

(okay to print)

Posted by: Clay Olsen at January 16, 2004 02:56 AM

Dear Mr. David,

Very nice "ending" to the insanity arc. I'm enjoying Mr. Sotomayor's art quite alot, even though its a bit muddy and dreamy. I also enjoyed seeing all the heroes throughout the circus in the background. The humors good and the explanation was great if not a bit confusing at first. But it fits and does the impossible of explaining and fixing Marvel's recent bout of incontinuity. But another thing i noticed that i really enjoyed, was this: Both Genis and Mar Vell wore their Kree uniforms for 16 issues. Nice homage if it was on purpose.

Anyway thanks for the great book and I'm looking forward to your next several story arcs.

Clay Olsen

Davis, CA

Posted by: Pascal at January 16, 2004 05:14 AM

The ink will return! Check out the Captain Marvel thread at talk@newsarama.

Pascal

Posted by: Steve O'Rando at January 16, 2004 07:57 AM

Just one question: When do we see the cocker spaniel?

Steve O'Rando

San Antonio TX

Okay to print or edit.

Posted by: Brian Jordan at January 16, 2004 09:25 AM

If these points were covered already, I apologize. I'm simply offering a few quick thoughts before going to sleep.

Two things bother me. First the art. Sorry, maybe it's the combination of the artist and inker and colorist but it generally looks way too muddy to me. Still, I come mostly for the story so it won't make me quit.

The second is more uncertain and it's two-fold. First, was Marv really insane or -as suggested- just pretending so he could avoid responsibitiy for whatever he did? Second, if he wasn't insane before, does the last page (and the fact only he sees Epiphany in the last few issues) mean he is now?

P.S. As far as his costume, who says he can only wear one? I have lots of different clothes. Depends on what I'm doing and feel like wearing at any given time. Why is he restricted?

Posted by: Johnny Fuller at January 16, 2004 09:49 AM

From Doug Atkinson

Regarding "Split!", this link should explain it:

http://ape-law.com/GAF/Page21

Help me out Doug. That page is restricted on my work computer for "Mature." I'm not understanding the "Split" thing. Where was this term mentioned, and what is it's meaning. Thanks.

Posted by: Doug Atkinson at January 16, 2004 11:56 AM

Sorry about that; there's a bit of bad language on that site, which it didn't occur to me would be a problem.

In a nutshell, in the mid-'60s a small-time publisher put out a comic called "Captain Marvel." Which was not directly related to the earlier Fawcett version, but pushed the limits of how far they could rip off the names of existing characters. (His sidekick was named "Billy Baxton," and villains named Plastic Man and The Ray showed up.)

Anyway, this Captain Marvel was an alien android with the power to detatch his limbs, which could attack independently. (Which is pretty high on my personal list of "super-powers you don't see very often and there's a good reason why.") To activate his powers, he would shout "Split!"; to reunite, he would shout "Xam!" Hence the reference in this month's CM.

Posted by: Johnny Fuller at January 16, 2004 01:17 PM

Now what's interesting is that I ran a search using those terms and accessed that very page, but using your link brings up the restricted sign.

Now I understand the split thing. I had never before heard of this Captain Marvel. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Chris Brown at January 16, 2004 02:20 PM

I really liked it. I'll have to read it a few more times before I completely understand everything, but I liked it. I've liked all of the inasanity storyline, and am glad to see that it's not just disapearing with a disapointing "Okay, I wont be insane anymore" type story.

I've seen a preview of the art for the next issue, and I must say it is a huge improvement and looks great.

Posted by: Rick Jones, really at January 16, 2004 03:22 PM

Dear Peter,

Well, I'm of two minds about the latest issue of CAPTAIN MARVEL. Okay, okay, I'll leave the funnies to you guys.

While I enjoyed the resolution to the Crazy Marve plot, I had a hard time enjoying the issue with the muddied no-inked pencils.

The story resolution itself was neatly done. Having Marv be weak and immature, rather than insane, sows the ground quite nicely for future storylines. And the return of the old costume, suitably revamped, was also quite nice.

However, the art continued to take away from my complete enjoyment of the series. Looking back over the stellar art from ChrisCross, just makes the current state of the art more difficult to take. I think the pencils would have been all right, if they had received a tightening by a great inker, such as Robin Riggs. As is, the straight-to-color pencils just looked muddied and sometimes incoherent. I look forward to the arrival of Aaron Lopresti with great anticipation.

Thanks again for another great writing job.

Best wishes,

Rick Jones, really

Charlotte, NC

Posted by: David Turner at January 16, 2004 07:57 PM

Ok, let's see where we're at. One, Genis is sane, realizes that Epiphany is trouble but maintains a ruse to find what she's really up to. Two, Genis is insane, realizes that he doesn't have the power to overcome his enemies, so faked his cure, hoping that Epiphany will grant him the power for revenge. Three, Epiphany is a figment of his imagination and basically volume two is a drive through is mind. There, that seems to be the theories.

I'd be somewhat sad if mad Genis is gone. I'd like to see how you can redeem someone from madness ( I never followed Spectre enough to see how Hal's journey was). Also, the Marvel universe seems to be remade constantly (twice in this book) so I guess this will appease continuity junkies ( of which I'm one as I still have no definitive explanation on the Kree). Are we, dare I say 'retconning'?

Blast! I have to ponder a 'superhero' book. Where's the Vertigo label?

David

Posted by: Elf with a gun at January 17, 2004 08:42 AM

Dear PADguy,

Some thoughts/comments on #18:

1. Hokay, that was an interesting reveal on just what has been going on since #1. I was sure that at least some of the action since #1 took place in Genis's head, since I found it unlikely that every time his Cosmic Awareness power went into overdrive and drove him comatose he kept winding up falling off the same cliff in the same desert. The odds of that happening without some sort of outside intervention is rather high, to say the least. Of course, there is nothing in #18 that would rule out much of #1 and parts of #6 as being hallucinations, since none of the situations Genis tried to solve on the fly in those issues were really set up for win/win or win/lose solutions, just 'all choices are the wrong ones' solutions. And besides, those problems really weren't his to solve anyway if you think about it. For example, why was it necessary for _Genis_ to stop _that_ paticular suicide bombing and not the fifty or so that preceeded it or the fifty or so that followed it? Couldn't Sabra have done that job instead and (possibly) done it better? She's based in that region and has a greater stake in what happens over there while Genis isn't and doesn't; why didn't the universe send her to stop the bombing instead of sending someone literally half a world away to deal with it? I'm guessing (and you have left some hints pointing in this general direction, sneaky boy :) that both Entropy and Epiphany were less than forthcoming with what their real goals were in the first six issues of this series and that both Rick and Genis are going to find themselves facing off again against both cosmic entities at some point in the future.

2. If the 'old' Genis replaced the 'new' Genis that was born during this paticular reboot because only one of them could inhabit the same universe at the same time then what happened to the 'new' guy? Did he cease to exist altogether or was he shunted to Limbo or some other nether realm where he all he can do is wait for an eternity or two for a chance to return to the land of the living?

3. You are going to have Phyla join the supporting cast, aren't you? She looks like she could be an interesting addition to the book with a bit more development than she got in this arc.

4. What are the odds of getting someone like Wendi Pini or Art Adams or Dave Cockrum (when he gets well again) to do some work on this book? Since the current status quo on the art is to use a different artist on every arc (like they did on Sandman back when it was still coming out) I'm sure one or more of these artists can be talked into fitting a few issues of this title into their busy schedules. (Hey, it's worth a shot. Ya never know, someone might actually do it.)

5. What are the odds of the Rogg siblings (BOTH of them, not just Una) showing up again sometime in the near future? Or the distant future for that matter? I like both of those guys and would dearly love an update on what they've been up to since we last saw them back in vol. 3. Just make sure that when Zey does show up again he's ditched that disguise ChrisCross gave him for something closer to his original look. He's suppose to be a young guy who's about Una's age rather than someone who looks old enough to be her father. He can keep the new armor though, provided you can find someone else who can draw the thing right. He'll need it to keep Una from killing him the next time they meet. . . . . and of course she'll need something to keep him from killing her. . . . the sibling rivalry from hell here, methinks.

Sorry about the length of this letter. I get started talking about something I either like or dislike I wind up talking everyone's ear off. :)

Thank you for your patience.

Chris Biggs

Hope. IN

(Okay to print)

Posted by: Dennis v Beek at January 17, 2004 01:35 PM

I dropped this book after the ending of the Coven arc. Because I really started to dislike the insane Genis.

But now CM's madman days are at a possible end I guess it's time to give it a try again.

Posted by: Johnny Fuller at January 17, 2004 05:26 PM

I like the possibility of the insanity still hiding in the back of Genis's mind. I think that the revelation about the continuity inconsistancies was great. I have heard some DC fans expresst the wish that Genis had effected the DCU also. Now all we need is for that Hulk being strangled by a python to be addressed. Great job PAD.

Posted by: mark torres at January 17, 2004 05:56 PM

well, I'm still trying to piece the story together, but I think I'll get it after going back and reading a few issues to see the "signs". as for the art, all I can say is this: Jeff Purves (I think that's how you spell his name)

Posted by: Peter at January 18, 2004 04:00 AM

An earlier comment made me realize I've been wondering about this for a while but always forget: when *did* the Ruul go back to being Kree anyway?

Posted by: Guy Bahir (gvalley) - OK to print at January 18, 2004 05:37 AM

200 words?!? *sigh*

Whenever I like a title, I try to think WHY. With CM, it's not the humor, dialogue, great (yup) art, the fact that I NEVER know what will happen next (all more than enough reason to support any book) - with CM, it’s the angles. In this incarnation, it's that I've NEVER seen a superpower morality issue dealt with through the hero giving up on the sacred CODE. Genis couldn't handle the 'great responsibility', so he tossed it away - absolute teenager style - and he revels in the consequences. Which are not watered down, and thank you for that.

Furthermore: it ties so beautifully into how the book started: Marv’s peceptions can’t be trusted… except now he doesn’t destroy cafés – he commits geniscide (heh).

2 buggy things:

- Even if half of it all was in Marv’s head… he wasn’t exactly shy about making himself known; you’d think he’d be treated as a menace of ‘Infinity Gauntlet’ proportions by the MU.

- Everyone letting such an obviously dangerous lunatic go, with a smile and a cheer - based on a teary performance, a statement and… a costume change?

I can't wait to see how this continues.

Guy Bahir

Oudezijlvest 37R

2011VR

haarlem

Holland

(please do not print full address)

Posted by: gvalley at January 18, 2004 05:40 AM

Not including name and address - - that WAS 200 words, precisely : )

Posted by: J Buttery at January 18, 2004 11:09 AM

I loved it, and I love Peter's talent for surprising us with a great punchline after a long build-up. In the first series, the entire year-long subplot about the rival comic book store was for express purpose of the "100 virgins" joke, I'm sure.

Now we have the entire "insane Genis" storyline, requiring a trip into the bizarre via a rift in spacetime, just so we could have the "Split" joke. Bravo! You planned it that way from the start, right Peter?

I'm fine with the artwork. I've never quit a book just because I didn't like the art; I've quit plenty of books because I didn't like the writing. I'll be with Captain Marvel to infinity and beyond!

JB

Okay to print.

(Is that what I'm supposed to say? This is my first posting. Be gentle.)

Posted by: Michael Pullmann at January 18, 2004 04:56 PM

Peter,

Rudolf Lipschitz. It's official: You are the God of Puns.

Can't Stop Picturing Rick and Marlo Singing "Master of the House,"

Michael Pullmann

Atlanta, Ga

(okay to print)

Posted by: Brill at January 19, 2004 12:11 AM

I don't see what the fuss is over the art. The pencils have an excellent reality to them and the mutedness of the colors is just so easy on the eye. It is welcome to read a comic that is not blinding.

Similarly, I don't see what the fuss is over the insanity storyline. If a person goes off the deep end it is not a short road back to being "normal." And, as a whole, does it make sense? This is not just these 18 issues that make sense but 53 issues that make sense.

For those who think it is taking to long remember: this is comics, there is no end that the story has to rush to. Among my comics that I have read there are no other stories that are like this one. (though if someone else knows of one please point it out.) That should be reason enough to let it play out.

Posted by: Scott Iskow at January 19, 2004 06:42 AM

I'm not sure I liked all the explanations. The strange dimension had to be explained, the dimentia had to be explained, and even after all that was over and done with there was still more explaining. Marv was even explaining all the metaphors. (Though the use of metaphors itself became a gag.)

Loved CM's new mission statement and everyone's reaction to it. Looking forward to the next issue.

Posted by: Jeff Fettes at January 19, 2004 10:06 AM

Personally, I was not a big fan of the whole "insanity" arc so I was pleased to see it come to an end.

My only gripe is I wish it would have come to a firm conclusion. The last page (showing CM's sudden turn to sanity might just be an act) was clever, but hardly left me feeling that the whole matter was resolved. I would have rather had a firm "classic Marvel" ending to this arc that left us with our hero fully intact.

That being said, I'm willing to keep reading confident that PAD's next arc will be one I'll like (as most have been so far).

Jeff

Posted by: Pete Darby at January 20, 2004 10:30 AM

And here's a belated "I miss the old Cap Marvel screwing around in surreal / symbolic dimensions, so WOO FRICKIN HOO!"

Posted by: DF2506 at January 21, 2004 03:42 PM

Wow. I tell ya..I am really glad there's a re-cap on this book!! I picked up Fallen Angel and Captain Marvel today (hadn't read them for awhile. yes, I feel guility and ashamed! Fallen Angel is a good book and Captain Marvel is a really great one, imo).

But anyway, thanks to the re-cap in CM, I was not lost in this issue and wow....such a GREAT issue.

Well, especially the whole 'metaphor' sequences. That was truly great.

I did think that Captain Marvel went "sane" pretty fast in the end and I was right along side the aliens in not believing. Liked the end with Rick & Eiphany (sp?).

Wow. Really great though. Like I said I thought the metaphor sequences were the best. The beginning though the whole other universe stuff (loved seeing all the "guest-stars" in the backgrounds!) :).

CM was really hilarous in the beginning " It seems like I'm running away. But I'm not. I'm merely advancing in reverse at high speed."

lol! You really should be writing a Spidey book PAD! :)

Oh ya and I also loved this (from the re-cap):

Neither of the "Captain marvel" siblings or their father, Captain Marvel, should be confused with the Monica Rambeau "Captain Marvel," or the many others going by that monikers, why so many heroes want the name when their books keep tanking, we couldn't begin to guess."

LOL!

Wow. Great stuff.

DF2506